Butterfly Schlager Carbon
Butterfly Schlager Carbon reviews and ratings on this table tennis blade.
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Reviews of the Butterfly Schlager Carbon
tommyzai said this on February 29, 2008:
Fast, but heavy. Quality is topnotch. The handle is lovely and you'll hit bullets, and if you put the right rubber on this beast you might even hit them on the table. Overall, it's a nice blade to have in the collection.
Trottski said this on May 23, 2008:
Heavier, thicker, stiffer and quicker than the Timo Boll Spirit. A genuinely quick blade but found it too heavy and stiff for my spinny loop/block game.
loopy_newbie said this on May 19, 2009:
Rocket blade! My good friend purchased this blade with Butterfly Catapult rubber R/B. It's a deadly weapon if you can yield it correctly; definitely an advanced player's blade. Super stiff and great construction, but that's why you're gonna pay an arm and a leg for it:)
Harsha said this on March 31, 2010:
Good blade for fast play.
But too heavy due to which it is unsuitable for close-to-table play.
If one is a wristy player this blade may not be very suitable.
Handle is comfortable.
Overall , good blade, except for the heavy weight.
Anh_yeu_em said this on August 22, 2010:
Whcih Blade is faster
Stiga Hybrid NCT
wind_comm said this on December 5, 2010:
I bought this back when I was dedicated to overpowering smashes, back in 2003 or so when the Schlager was brand new. It does exactly what it advertises, it goes fast. where it's going, you can never really be sure because it's so stiff and the feeling is about as sensitive to your feelings as a zombie. realistically, it's not quite as useful as you think it might be (no good getting somewhere fast, if you don't know where you're going).
for someone as big as I am (think NFL fullback, sans a few muscles) I'm not concerned about generating any extra speed with this or that newest blade or rubber. if you're ~ 5'5" and 120lbs, you should probably be considering a different playing style anyway.
I give it a 7.5 because it does what it's supposed to, but nothing more. if you want speed and feel, look at a Hinoki blade. there are plenty of other options.
Khayyal said this on December 26, 2010:
What can I say for this blade ?
It's heavy little bit , very stiff , thicker but I do't care about this.
becuase the schlager carbon blade is extremly fast.
And the handle is beauty and Comfortable.
It's perfact for smash, flick or flip and blocks.
About spin in this blade not too difficult but you must get used to it.
I have two schlager carbon blades ..
* One I put in it two Butterfly tenergy 05 rubber to be like Werner Schlager Blade's.
* The second blade I have .. I put in it two Tibhar genius sound rubber.
I like schlager carbon blade with rubber Tibhar genius sound more than schlager carbon blade with Butterfly tenergy 05 rubber.
I use both blades and the result is very fantastic blade in my opinion.
AK said this on January 1, 2011:
Very fast blade but with surprisingly good touch for this level of speed. Unlike many fast carbon blades that feature slight to pronounced lag when spinning the ball (for example timo boll 5000, the iolite, or the now discontinued Sardius --all of which are very fast blades in their own right), shots with this blade feel "linear", which in my mind is a kind of low throw very direct trajectory. This gives me a kind of control that I lose with other fast blades particularly on follow up loops (2nd, 3d, 4th etc) Because it is very fast, it is easy to topspin against under spin. Admittedly sometimes the rocket speed means missed blocks or over the table shots but nonetheless this blade has much better control than at first appears. Of course if you make a big loop or a big kill, it is an absolute rocket. Fast loops will be a blur to your opponent and when you make a hard kill it makes an awesome cracking sound. It is definitely on the heavy side and in the final analysis recommended only if you like to loop and loop big. For european style topspin play (such as Schlager!) this is blade is a lot of fun. For most other styles it is probably not a good idea. If you are one of those players that hates "lag", this is the blade for you.
Anonymous said this on January 15, 2011:
love it......its one of my favourite blades!!!
ultra fast, hard and direct but still controllable! If you play near the table and have a good feeling for the ball and like very fast blades you`ll love it!!!
Schlager himself plays it!!!
Anonymous said this on February 12, 2011:
just have it for 2 weeks. it really fast but still, the spin are good and you still can control it. the blocking is just very awesome
Speedy said this on March 23, 2011:
Definetely, this is a hard and fast blade!
When the ball touches the blade, it goes flying away! To make this blade work as it should be, you need to have a very good control.
PROS: very, very, very fast. Good for near-the-table game.
CONS: heavy, hard(I can't feel the ball touching the blade) and as said before, ver very fast! It doesn't have a bit of control.
sanjeet77 said this on April 24, 2011:
i believe this one of the fastest blade around, very good blade but u just have to learn to control it by practicing a lot... btw its worth the money if ur thinking of getting one.. gl everyone
Anonymous said this on April 28, 2011:
just like the rest of the reviews here it is a very fast blade. power loops and smashes very well but you have to practice the touch shots. works well with medium to soft rubbers. i give it a 9 because of the weight but the craftsmanship is the usual butterfly quality, overall a well made blade with lots of power
JR said this on September 17, 2011:
Werner Schlager Carbon Review
Hi, I just got my Schlager Carbon blade yesterday and I played with it the first time today in a tournament.
After a ten year hiatus, I started playing again and adjusting to the new equipment (and prices) I have tried Timo Boll ALC and Spirit with T64 2.1 both sides, Jun Mizutani with Tibhar Grip - S Max fh and Genius Max on bh and today my new Excalibur; the Werner Schlager Carbon with Hurricane III Max on FH and Spin-Art 1.9mm BH ( I messed up and ordered 1.9 instead of my usual 2.1+ mm, but too late to change, I got my equipment yesterday and the tournament was this morning! Jun Mizutani was the most recent racket I played with. Nice, but handle is too small, increases my dwell time which I do not need and muted feel; Butterfly; why are your handles so small? I am 6'2" and 180 lbs and all Butterfly handles are too small for me. I still have to put tape on my Schlager.
Having read all the reviews about the explosive speed and uncontrollable power with a feel like a rock in the hand, I was a little apprehensive about buying this blade.
After playing with it the whole day today, my face still hurts from the ear-to-ear smile on my face at the delights of playing with this blade.
Right out of the box, I did my usual tests; Vibration, feel, balance. The blade is solid with a high pitch tone when vibrated (the higher the pitch/tone the faster the blade), I tried so hard to bounce the ball so low as not to be able to feel it, but could not. Every little bounce of the ball was precisely communicated to my by this wonderful blade. Without rubber the balance is fairly neutral, with the rubber on, it is top heavy. (Just the way I like it)
I put on Hurricane Neo III Max on my forehand, Spin-Art 1.9 mm on my backhand yesterday and eagerly waited to play today.
My partner and I got second place today, we lost in the finals (3-4), 9-11 in the last game, so it was close.
During the matches I executed all the shots in the game and here is what I experienced today;
The Schlager Carbon blade is the best blade I ever played with. I am a double winged looper who prefers to loop away from the table. I have a wide repertoire of loops, from high, slow and super spinny side-spin; to warp 10 extinction level event doomsday pure topspin loops and everything in-between.
Why I love this blade; It honestly communicates with you and faithfully puts out what you put in. Unlike other Carbon blades I tried Timo Ball and Jun Mizutani, this blade does not augment your skills at all. I donât need a blade to add more speed to my shots or more dwell time on the ball, or to give me added control, all I have ever asked of my blade and rubber is; Tell me precisely where the ball is and put out what I put in, no less and no more. I donât need Tenergy 05 to give me any catapult effect or higher trajectory on my shots, I decide what to do, not my equipment. If I want to hit the ball hard, I donât need a blade/rubber to add dwell/lag time or help me in any way, just put out exactly what I put in. I know what I want. Schlager Carbon will not augment your shots in any way. It will not add dwell/lag time, it will not add control etc. what is does do and does so exceptionally well is tell you precisely where the ball is on your racket and faithfully puts out exactly what you put in, no more and no less. It has many gears. I have played many tournaments and had fans applauding my shots, but today was the first time in my life the fans applauded my chop which won the point. My partners counter-loop caught the net, bounced from the backhand to the forehand surprising everyone and I was facing a vicious forehand loop to my body/backhand from a 2400+ player, since the net messed up my timing and had me on my heels, I was is such a position that all I could do is chop with my Spin Art. This was an amazing chop about six feet from the table. I decided to add side to it and chop to the backhand side. The chop was heavy, well placed, with a lot of pace and the other player did not come even close to lifting it. Can you imagine chopping so well with an OFF+ blade? Amazing. All my loops, lobs blocks performed as usual with a few misses on my backhand more because I was trying to adjust to the 1.9 mm thickness of Spin Art than the blade. I never played with rubber this thin and it is not for me. This Schlager Carbon blade is my biggest asset and is not to blame for any missed shots because of itsâ honest playing characteristics; it only puts out what you put in. No more and no less. Control, spin, speed, power; the Schlager Carbon can deliver everything you could possibly need in table tennis for the rest of your life.
Please read the following before buying this wonderful blade. After the tournament, I stayed around for the fans who wanted to have their pictures taken with me and gave as many as I could a few minutes to play me for fun. I had one of my students and a several local club players try my Werner Schlager Carbon blade with H 3 Neo and Spin Art. Here is the short summary; None of the players could handle my racket! The highest rated player to try my racket is a young 20 year old looper from Canada. He currently plays with Timo Boll ALC and T05 2.1mm both sides. I hit with him for about fifteen minutes. He asked me for advice/pointers. He is a strong 2000 player with a solid game, footwork and no obvious weaknesses. Young, well coached and disciplined, he has a great future ahead of him. I just blocked for him, so he could show me his best loops and he would consistently loop 25 times plus before missing, so he was quite consistent. He told me he watched me play and is aspiring to loop the same way and asked if he could try my racket. I happily lent him my Schlager Carbon and picked up my Jun Mizutani. I was not prepared for what happened next. For the next five minutes not one, I mean zero, zip, zilch, nada; not one of his shots landed on the table! None of his loops, none of his pushes, none of his simple top-spin serves!! No matter how hard he tried everything went long and all over the place. It was as if his rating just got cut in half!
I really babied the ball and he finally landed one loop, only to go long on the very next one. I tried to say something encouraging to him, but it was too late. The damage had been done. He walked over and handed me back my Schlager Carbon in a way I had never seen before. I made a joke saying; âYou are carrying my racket like it was a loaded gun!â If I had paid closer attention earlier, I would not have said that because when I looked closer I saw that his eyes were full of tears. He said: âThis is not a loaded gun, this is a nuclear bomb!â, in a totally dejected tone of voice. I knew I had to try and undo the damage done, so I tried to tell him that it takes time; he has been playing 4 years and I have been playing for 35, that is a bit of a difference; that he will soon be better than me etc. I was just really surprised that a 2000 rated player would be so unable to adjust and handle a blade/racket that I can do anything with, the first time playing with it. I mean I looped, lobbed, blocked, chopped (once only), smashed and did a drop shot that was so dead the opposing team protested with the judge claiming it was a double bounce. We had to review the video to prove that it was not a double bounce. To say nothing about weaker players who tried; none of them wanted to use my racket for more then 30 seconds, they all ran back to their rackets. One of my students there is 1600 and it was just awful, he was missing by a country mile; that is why no one used my Schlager Carbon for more then a few shots before returning it to me, and I was overjoyed to have my Schlager back in my hands!
I would recommend this blade to anyone and everyone. If you are under 2000, just persevere. It will be hard at first and you will miss a lot, but if you keep learning, practicing your drills, once you get used to it, you will be light years ahead of players who rely on their equipment to artificially augment their skills and abilities. Werner Schlager Carbon will honestly show you who you are as a player. It rewards proper communication along with precise use and magnifies any weakness/errors. This is the only blade for me from now on! Definitely not too fast for me, control is not an issue either, has many gears and is exceptionally easy to play with. Always consistent and reliable performance.
powerlefty said this on October 10, 2011:
Blocks and smashes are great. Topspinning is definitly a challenge though. I prefer the PC for slightly more feel and dwell time to the SC though. One thing is for sure though, this blade has great qulaity and is deadly in the right hands.
Anonymous said this on December 31, 2011:
wonderful blade! one of the fastest bty blades, but very precise and good for attacking near the table.
But you should have a good conistent technique to control this blade. If you got this and like schlagers offensive playing style try it. In this Off+ category (near the table much precision and hard shots) it`s definitely one of the best or the best blades!!!
Anonymous said this on January 17, 2012:
Well.. What can I say about this blade...
1. It's great.
2. Super Fast.
3. A real beauty.
I just played with it 2 hours ago. Here is a short summary of what happened. ( take note I am using a very fast setup )
Blade: Schlager Carbon
Fh: Tenergy25 FX max
Bh: Bryce Speed Max
Pros : Fast. Comfortable Handle. Alot of control.
Cons : A little heavy. ( IDK if I just got used to the weight of my Cofferlait or what. ) somewhat expensive but worth every single cash. I can't feel the ball.
I can do everything with this. I could chop with it. Loop. Topspin. Dropshot. I can do super spinny serves. And. I have been playing for 10months only. Started taking professional lessons 4months ago. I didn't mind adjusting to it. At first... Like 20 to 30 mins of using it.. All my shots were just long and all over the place. After an hour. I was beating the hell out of my team captain. He said that my topspins were a blur.
After a while my captain asked if he could borrow it. So I borrowed his racket. Joola Flame Extreme with DHS hurricane 3 and Joola Tango extreme. He couldn't handle my racket. His shots were just awful. He was afraid to put power in it because it would just fly away. And when he's watching me play with it. He's really impressed that I am having no problems with it. I think he's gonna pass the Captainship to me when he graduates.
Spin Master said this on February 16, 2012:
I play with Schlager Carbon OFF+ more than two years and I can say I adore that blade! I was try and Timo Boll Spirit and ALC but my shots get more danger with this blade, I can say I was play with two Bryce 2,1mm both sides and now am using Tenergy 05 both sides and is great going and forehand and backhand is more dangerous for my opponents and they are getting more mistakes when I play with this blade, my attack is more average and spins with Tenergy 05 is totally great and make a lot a problems for all my opponents. I can say, I simply enjoy to play with this blade and I don't want to change it. Absolutely is for my attacking style of play close to table or from distance whatever.
Anonymous said this on April 24, 2012:
Combined with T05 has definitely improved my game. Highly recommend it!
Alex said this on May 30, 2012:
Hello everybody, I play with Schlager Carbon OFF+ more then 3 years ago and I want to say this is a professional blade for serious player as me, not for beginners or intermediate players. You must to have a great feeling to can control this fast blade specially in combination with two Tenergy 05 which I have on this blade my game is become deadly for all my opponents. With this rubber combination is generating strong spins with high rotations, great block, looping and smash and spin over opponents spin. When my opponents shot spin, blocking close to the table ball going even faster then are shot this spin and make big problems for opponents because is backing so fast, they don't have time to prepare for next spin. Also if I go to spin over spin ball is coming with more rotation and speed and in most cases opponents are get mistakes. Only one thing I don't liked from this blade, that is a little big weight but who knows it probably should must be as how it is this blade but is going great and close to the table and from mid distance and more. This is a great blade and I will play with this blade and in the future, I don't want to change it. This is a fully professional blade and I give a 10!!!
sadi said this on July 25, 2012:
Fast, but heavy. Quality is topnotch. The handle is lovely and you'll hit bullets and if you put the right rubber on this beast you might even hit them on the table. If you are using average blade then it will take time for you to have control on this blade. It took me about six to eight months to have control. But once you have control then you can do wonders with this blade.Overall, it's a nice blade to have in the collection
UPIS88 said this on July 30, 2012:
I have been playing for only 1 year and have had this blade with T05 2.1 and very pleased with it. I have won 2 divisions and increased my rating by 200+. I have tried other blades (cheaper and similar to BTY) but this is the one that gave me the best results. I like it so much that I bought another one as a back up. It was recommended to me by a respected and higher ranking player & have no regrets or remorse for doing so. I'm looking forward to increasing my rating with this blade.
Lestat said this on October 25, 2012:
Very speed blade, FH use Xiom vega pro,BH use Xiom vega Asia
kevin21 said this on January 17, 2013:
Very good blade for attacking especialy looping and block. But a it was a little bit heavy and hard to be controled.
smasher said this on March 11, 2013:
To me, it seems not as fast as my expectation. Control is not good. ZLC series are a lot much better in both of speed and control even looping is totally different. ZLC done it nicely.
ttplayingunicyclist said this on March 28, 2013:
great blade, for a fast looper, blocker. for all the people who say this has no control, not true, this is almost too easy to control..., but a spinnier rubber should be used... like tenergy 05...
Gani_Agung said this on April 29, 2013:
This blade is well balanced between speed ,spin n control , Its easy to loop with harder rubbers, but suited with softer or medium rubbers would work fine with this blade. Counter-Looping, and even gives some good power behind the smashes. The thing that I didn't like is the handle, it's too small , and I already fix it by adding some hard paper at the handle.
killerbee said this on September 22, 2013:
One of the fastest blades I ever used.
Its speed depends very much on your opponent. When I trained with defensive players and could make the speed myself, everything was fine.
But then I played with someone 3 leagues above me, who had a much higher "normal speed". Every ball I hit was far out, because the speed of my opponent was added to my speed.
Had to step 1-2 Meters back and it took me quite a long time to adjust.
Maybe I will use it again, but after this experience, which showed the true speed of the blade, I switched to something slower, like Innerforce ZLF.
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